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Subject:how about them nazgul?
Time:10:41 pm
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i'm sorry if i'm posting too much...uhh...moving right along...
the nazgul gave me nightmares the first time i read the book. did that happen to anyone else? i have always found them to be fascinating.
i loved how they did weathertop in the movie. howard shore made great music for the scene (as usual), and the special effects were great. but the thing that really got me was when frodo and the other hobbits were looking around all scared like, and ye see frodo's eyes (i have to say elijah's best acting skill is the way he uses his eyes) widen with terror, and all of sudden ye see one of the nazgul climb over the ridge, slowly and deliberately. in that scene, i could practically TASTE the terror, you know?
the nazgul were very influential on me. they gave me such a great feeling of fear. and when they have the fellbeasts...gadzooks, incredible.
so, i guess what i'm asking is, what do you all think of the nazgul?
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janelemon
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Time:2004-03-05 04:13 am (UTC)
I think the wraiths on the barrow downs scared me more. The nazgul were larger-than-life, and didn't scare me as much in the books as they did in the movies (I thought they were portrayed well).

As a digression, I'm also pissed that they left Tom Bombadil out of the movie, but it would've added at least another hour (they could've cut out the dwarf tossing jokes and given Gimli's character more substance besides being comic relief, as well, but that's an argument for another day). I wouldn't've minded the extra hour, but I definitely envision most of the audience walking out, to pee if nothing else.

I propose that they add a scene Christopher Walken as Tom Bombadil in some special re-release five years from now. :p
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oh_kaity
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Time:2004-03-05 04:35 am (UTC)
The Barrow-wights freeeeeaked me out. Freaked me out.

You know? Uh. Tom Bombadil scared me, too. xD
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necromancer723
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Time:2004-03-05 04:39 am (UTC)
tom bombadil is a bit too much like me in some ways. tis creapy. ^^;;;

-the
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janelemon
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Time:2004-03-05 04:58 am (UTC)
That's why Tom Bombadil should be played by Christopher Walken.

Imagine the "Hey-ho derry dol" song being sung in that creepy voice. Tee hee.
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necromancer723
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Time:2004-03-05 04:38 am (UTC)
the barrow downs were terrifying, i admit. i was extremely dissapointed when they were omitted, but it makes sense why they were, i guess.
but it doesn't explain how merry was able to wound the witch-king, ye know? he needed the blade of the westernesse (spelled wrong, i think). but i suppose it could work...merry wasn't TECHNICALLY a man, was he? he was a hobbit. so i suppose it still works...

-the
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janelemon
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Time:2004-03-05 05:01 am (UTC)
the witch-king could also have been bluffing.
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oh_kaity
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Time:2004-03-05 05:06 am (UTC)
Also, Merry only *wounded* the Witch-king, and the whole thing about 'no living man,' 'no son of man,' et cetera, has to do with *killing* him. ::sneaky grin::
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necromancer723
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Time:2004-03-06 01:34 am (UTC)
point. a good point.

-the
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necromancer723
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Time:2004-03-06 01:36 am (UTC)
i dont think so. aragorn threw a torch into his face, didn't he? and the nazgul still lived. i think that's fair evedence that they can't be killed by Men. but then, that was in the movie. i don't think it happened exactly that way in the book.

-the
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janelemon
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Time:2004-03-06 03:41 am (UTC)
Well...humans can be torched in the face and still live, too.

Just sayin'.
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necromancer723
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Time:2004-03-06 04:51 am (UTC)
but have a torch stuck IN their face? like, the torch was sticking out of his head. i doubt any human would survive that. but then, who knows.

-the
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oh_kaity
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Time:2004-03-05 04:16 am (UTC)
Another good topic. We don't talk about them much!

Hm. The Nazgul. I don't think they affected me the way they affected you. But then, I only got into LOTR after seeing the first film, so I'd already seen how PJ wanted to portray them, rather than seeing them in my own imagination. Nevertheless I was still frightened by them, even if the image of the 'black rider' has been used so many times after Tolkien created these characters. They really are the personification of fear (not necessarily evil, but certainly fear), much more so than the orcs, who represent destruction and evil but aren't particularly terrifying. The enigma of the Nazgul is what is so scary, and the fact that they are so bent on one purpose, on one goal, and they can't be killed.

I was much more afraid of the Riders when they were on horseback, however. Once they were on the fell beasts I wasn't as afraid (even if those fell beasts in the movie are scary as all f*ck, taking out horses left and right), because they weren't as real to me, but by that point I had already been introduced to them in that freaking scary scene at Weathertop. (Which was excellent until Aragorn threw the torch, and then the way it stuck out of the wraith's face distracted me, but that's off-topic.)

They're some of Tolkien's coolest creations. I'm all for them. :)
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necromancer723
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Time:2004-03-05 04:33 am (UTC)
yeah, now that i think about it, the nazgul on their horses were just as frightening. i liked the way the horses had, like, slime on them. i liked the red eyeballs too.
but the fellbeasts...wow. i love that scene in rotk, where eowyn kills the beast, and the witch-king just...stands up...with his flail and sword, and that helmet/crown of his...eek, terrifying. but again, i digress.
i must say i liked the fellbeasts more than the horses. i liked their roar (an altered donkey noise, i think), and the way their wing beats matched the "heart-beat" of the ring, you know?

-the
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oh_kaity
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Time:2004-03-05 04:38 am (UTC)
Definitely cool, and I liked the fell beasts more after seeing them in the films. I think it's just a shock whenever I see something blatantly 'fantasy' in the book or the films, because I get so sucked into the fact that it's real, even with the orcs and the wizards - but when I see things like the fell beasts, or Theoden's recovery, or the Balrog, I go, "Wait, hold on a second." And then I go back to believing everything. :)
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necromancer723
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Time:2004-03-05 04:42 am (UTC)
ooh, the balrog...i LOVED the balrog...
that's something else pj, the writers, and everyone else who made the film did so well: making a fantasy that's believable somehow. a fantasy where you can relate with a 3 foot something furry footed burrowing creature. it must be awfully hard to do that.

-the
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losttalesofme
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Time:2004-08-26 07:17 am (UTC)
i read the books before the movies and i just thought i'd add that even though the barrow wights were super creepy and mysterious, the nazgul take the cake for me on this debate. i remember reading about the hobbits first encounters with the black riders...reading it seriously scared me. but boy was it cool!
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